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Evolution Debate Will Soon Be History

May 28, 2012

The evolution debate will soon be history


When I first saw this headline I thought -

wow - it's about time -

scientists have finally realized the Truth!

Unfortunately, the second sentence killed any hope of that -


Not that the avowed atheist has any doubts himself.


Oh well.


My next thought -
it's going to be a really sad day when that happens.
If the debate is over and everyone agrees that evolution is "king" -
that means there's no Christians left on earth -
at least none that know what our religion actually says -
and have the nerve to stand up for it.


That was quickly followed by another thought -
the rapture will have to happen before that occurs.
That could be good or bad -
depends on your point of view.


The good news - some of us get to go Home.


The bad news - everyone else is left to deal with life with no Christians left on earth.


You can read the entire article here - from Science on msnbc.com.



I think what's sad about the point of view given in the article is the following -

"If you get to the stage where you can persuade people on the evidence, that it's solid, that we are all African, that color is superficial, that stages of development of culture are all interactive," Leakey says, "then I think we have a chance of a world that will respond better to global challenges."

And if that's not clear enough as to what he's saying - there's this -

Any hope for mankind's future, he insists, rests on accepting existing scientific evidence of its past.

The thing is - evolution isn't necessarily a bad word.
It's the thought / beliefs behind the word that are the problem -
which is evident in what's being put forth in the article in question.


To show what I mean - the following definitions come from Merriam-Webster, I. (2003). Merriam-Webster's collegiate dictionary. (Eleventh ed.). Springfield, MA: Merriam-Webster, Inc.

creative evolution noun

1909 : evolution that is a creative product of a vital force rather than a spontaneous process explicable in terms of scientific laws

emergent evolution noun

1923 : evolution that according to some theories involves the appearance of new characters and qualities at complex levels of organization (as the cell or organism) which cannot be predicted solely from the study of less complex levels (as the atom or molecule)


You see - it's what's behind the word that counts.
Is it God - as in creative evolution
or
is it pure science - as in emergent evolution.


Even for those who go for pure science -
I have one question -
where did those laws of science come from -
Who created them?


The following quote comes from Story, D. (1999). Engaging the closed minded: Presenting your faith to the confirmed unbeliever. Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications. It talks about whether it's possible to believe in evolution and still be a Christian -

For many unbelievers, evolution is an obstacle to faith. They assume that evolution disproves creation, thus demonstrating that the Bible is in error. But evolution doesn’t have to be an obstacle to Christianity. One can believe in evolution and still receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Romans 10:9 says, “If you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” It doesn’t say, “If you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, and also believe in seven-day creation, you will be saved.”

It's the same point -
it's not whether one used the word evolution -
it's what you mean by that word.



What we have at this point is -


Ro 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.


Jesus also spoke of people who will be surprised as to whether they end up in Heaven of Hell. In Matthew 25:37-40 - when talking about the end He says -

Mt 25:37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

Mt 25:40 “The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’


I don't expect that one could deny God & Jesus and not have some difficulties to overcome - but who are we to decide what God's "allowed" to do?

At any rate - when we get to the point of saying things like -

"Any hope for mankind's future ... rests on accepting existing scientific evidence of its past."

I have to believe the line has been crossed.


This is saying that God has nothing to do with our future -
when God has everything to do with our future.


This is denial of God to the nth degree.


Almost as if trying to backtrack a little - the article goes on -

Leakey insists he has no animosity toward religion.

"If you tell me, well, people really need a faith ... I understand that," he said.

Except - he doesn't understand.
Faith isn't just something that we "need" -
as if it's something for weak people to survive on.
Faith is something for people who are strong enough to realize and accept that there's a God who's greater than us. Faith is hoping for a better life after this one. Ironically enough - for me, that same faith also comes with a desire to learn more from God - the One who created all of this when I get to Heaven.


Speaking of irony - the article continues -

"I see no reason why you shouldn't go through your life thinking if you're a good citizen, you'll get a better future in the afterlife ...."

I'm curious -
where does he think this afterlife is going to be -
who is responsible for it -
and what are the criteria for getting there?
Ultimately -
where does he even get the idea that there will be one -
because if life is really all random stuff that just happens -
there's no basis for even believing in an afterlife.


Perhaps that earlier statement isn't quite so true -

Not that the avowed atheist has any doubts himself.

Maybe he does have some doubts -
doubt's that he isn't quite willing to admit -
doubts that we should be aware of -
and not go down the path that even he may not actually truly believe.


Just in case any more words are still needed -
there's one more piece of irony in this article.
The author also says -

"If you don't like the word evolution, I don't care what you call it, but life has changed. You can lay out all the fossils that have been collected and establish lineages that even a fool could work up."

Would you believe -
God has already answered this charge -
and others like it that would claim to be "better" than Him?


We see this in Isaiah 29:13-14 -

Isa 29:13 The Lord says:

“These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.

Their worship of me
is made up only of rules taught by men.

Isa 29:14 Therefore once more I will astound these people
with wonder upon wonder;
the wisdom of the wise will perish,
the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish.”

Which Paul references when He wrote in 1 Cor 1:18-21 -

1Co 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;

the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

1Co 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.


It's easy to call another person foolish -
but what's the answer when God says we are foolish?


I'll even hold myself up as one of those called foolish in this article -
because I don't for one second believe what he says -
I cannot turn away from God and deny His place in everything that He has created.

No -
I'd much rather take up His offer -
also from Isaiah -
written at the very beginning of the book -

Isa 1:18-20 -

Isa 1:18 “Come now, let us reason together,”

says the LORD.

“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.

Isa 1:19 If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the best from the land;

Isa 1:20 but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”



For me - it's not even a case of being scared of verse 20 -
devoured by the sword.


No - for me -
it's the offer in verse 18 -
the desire to learn -
the desire to know the truth -
to learn from the one who really knows -
an offer from the Creator of all to reason together with Him.


Considering what David said in Psalms 8:3-5 -

Ps 8:3 When I consider your heavens,

the work of your fingers,

the moon and the stars,

which you have set in place,

Ps 8:4 what is man that you are mindful of him,

the son of man that you care for him?

Ps 8:5 You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings

and crowned him with glory and honor.


- one can't help but wonder -
why God would make an offer to "reason together" with us.


But He did -


and it's an offer to good to refuse.


For the author of this article and others who believe the same things -
I sincerely hope they see "the Light" -
take up the offer -
and become like Peter -


Lk 22:31 “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.”

I believe there's something in the author here -


something he's not quite able to realize about himself -
something calling him to want to believe


and I pray for him that that little seed will grow -


and then he too can turn and strengthen others who still believe as he does now -
that he will see -
and will show others -
the only real difference between what he sees and learns
versus what he says -
is who gets the credit.


The "funny" part is -
when we give God the credit He is due -
we get to learn so much more.


Isa 1:18 “Come now, let us reason together,”

says the LORD.